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Revision as of 17:50, 19 April 2020
Updating the ability infobox for Deadfire
Alright, figured we should have a dedicated talk page for this discussion. I've done a quick pass of the fields here, have added some notes for their relevancy in poe2, as well as some general information about what they are and where they come from.
Replies should go directly below (above the line) with suggestions, ideas, opinions, etc. Macklin (talk) 18:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- This is an amazing piece of work! I've looked over some of it, but I'm sure you have a better idea of what is sensible here, so I trust your decisions. The only comment I have is about this:
- ability_range -> range
- Perhaps my memory is fuzzy now, but I thought "range" was a protected word in Cargo. I know they introduced many protected words after I made some of the infoboxes, which broke them and resulted in error messages. If range is one of them, we can't use it. Pangaearocks (talk) 17:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
What to include? What is an "ability"?
Deadfire uses the concept of abilities for almost everything. A majority of these "abilities" are hidden and are a result of enchantments, enemy attacks, consumables, etc. Naturally when a player thinks of an ability, they think of something their character can cast - so we'll only want to include those that are "usable" by the player or party. Unfortunately the game files don't make this distinction very clear, but for a start we can refer to the default progression tables, which are a set of rules that govern which abilities are given to the character.
Name | ID |
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Talents | 25f42f57-6bfb-4c30-bdfa-857a95fd5fd5 |
Racials | b2afaada-c140-42c3-9f02-2f919e45b49d |
Proficiencies | a01f1324-4484-4548-a2b3-602a28dca631 |
Classes | |
Fighter | dcc7b7db-c31b-4075-869c-bd660bfe4ee2 |
Rogue | 958174ed-bef9-4d9b-9bc0-25bef1864623 |
Priest | a52e8b61-9343-4716-8a55-3168be143cc4 |
Wizard | 8b5635bf-28b1-4836-9712-66c99553ccf2 |
Barbarian | 67621a56-397e-4fae-8e04-59890b25c7fc |
Ranger | d574de6c-f4cb-4948-9a71-fb372700e6a5 |
Druid | 879d3662-bdf7-4585-99e4-0af2df117c50 |
Paladin | 7af80bf4-f8fc-48ff-b02e-884b2e7b12f9 |
Monk | dc561d91-7bc9-4314-acff-837511566964 |
Cipher | 12ba861c-8f31-45af-869f-e02a9a677484 |
Chanter | 6b722b30-d930-43ae-b936-248a1616f48e |
After this, we have a few more options to narrow down player-only abilities:
- Remove abilities that aren't shown in UI (where the HideFromUI field is true).
- Remove abilities that don't have a description or display name
Even then, we'll still be left with a large number of enchantment abilities - for example Missile Cache is an enchantment (ability) that grants a set amount of charges of the actual ability "Minoletta's Bounding Missles". At the moment my inclination is that the remaining abilities will need to be examined manually to determine if they should be added as a page or not.
Types to consider
All abilities are stored in abilities.gamedatabundle (one for each expansion). The game data here only specifies the most-derived class, so we have to determine what should be used from the derivatives of the following classes. Alternatively we can use all gamedata containing a GenericAbilityComponent or PhraseComponent
↳ ProgressionUnlockableGameData
- ↳ PhraseGameData (Phrases)
- ↳ GenericTalentGameData (unused)
- ↳ GenericAbilityGameData (covers most abilities)
Derivatives of GenericAbilityGameData. These only exist to provide additional fields.
- ↳ AttackLowestDefenseAbilityGameData
- ↳ AuraAbilityGameData (Auras)
- ↳ CoordinatedPositioningAbilityGameData (rogue's Coordinated Positioning)
- ↳ DeathblowsGameData (rogue's Deathblows)
- ↳ FinishingBlowAbilityGameData (rogue's Finishing Blow)
- ↳ FocusTraitGameData (cipher abilities that use focus)
- ↳ LinkedEffectAbilityGameData (only for a cipher's Defensive Mindweb)
- ↳ MirrorAbilityGameData (wizard's Mirrored Image, and others)
- ↳ SharedTargetAbilityGameData
- ↳ SpecialGenericAbilityGameData
- ↳ WeaponAttackAbilityGameData
- ↳ WoundsTraitAbilityGameData (monk Wounds abilities)
Unused derivatives of GenericAbilityGameData
- ↳ BackStabAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ BloodlustAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ ChantGameData (chants are editable and shouldn't be considered as abilities)
- ↳ DrainingTouchAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ EnervatingBlowsAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ FlankingAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ GenericAbilityWithExtraAttackOnMissAndEndGameData (unused)
- ↳ GenericAbilityWithPrimaryAttackOverridesGameData (unused)
- ↳ HeartOfFuryAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ MinorBlightsAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ OneStandsAloneAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ PowderBurnsAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ RighteousSoulAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ RiposteAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ SafeguardAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ SoulMirrorAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ TriggeredImmunityAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ VengefulDefeatAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ WeaponFocusAbilityGameData (unused)
- ↳ WeaponSpecializationGameData (unused)
- ↳ WeaponTypeSpecializationGameData (unused)
- Talents
Some notes about talents, or at least what I can deduce:
- A talent is any ability (usually passive) granted from being a certain subclass/race/subrace etc, or one that is granted through gameplay (e.g. NPC training, boons).
- They usually provide permanent buffs or effects.
- Unlike abilities, talents do not (always) appear in the ability hotbar, and will only appear in the "Current effects" section of the character sheet.
- Many of these are listed in the "Permanent bonuses" section of Status effects (Deadfire).
- Typically have an AbilityLearnLevel of 0 or 1 (but this isn't always the case)
- The game doesn't actively use the word "talent" in-game - only passives or effects.
I think that the distinction of "talent" as a separate table is somewhat unnecessary. There are way too many abilities that can be classed as talents and talents that can be classed as abilities. They use a subset of the fields used for abilities, but do not add any more. We should list all talents in the abilities table and mark them as such with the ability_type field, as all talents are functionally abilities. This is something that is certainly open for discussion. See ability_type below for more.
Fields
Below I have outlined the current fields and have made some suggestions for new fields based on concepts introduced in Deadfire, grouped by type.
name
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Cargo type | Page |
Description | In-game name |
Game data | GenericAbilityComponent.DisplayName |
Additional notes |
icon
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Cargo type | File |
Description | File name of ability icon. File names should always have "_icon" added to the end of the name, before the extension. |
Game data | Game asset -> File:Poe2_SpellAbilityIcons.png |
Additional notes | Many of the icons are shared with poe1, so we might not need to upload them all (but this depends on whether they've available at a higher resolution in poe2). |
description
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Cargo type | Wikitext |
Description | The in-game description, including upgrade descriptions (which appear below the description for abilities that are upgrades). |
Game data | Description + UpgradeDescriptions[0].String |
Additional notes |
added_in
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Cargo type | String |
Description | Same as other pages (see Template:Game) |
Game data | Based on exported directory prefix |
Additional notes |
- Requirements/Prerequisites
class
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Cargo type | Page |
Description | The class this ability is specific to (if any) |
Game data | AbilityClassID |
Additional notes |
subclass
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Cargo type | Page |
Description | The subclass this ability is specific to (if any) |
Game data | Inferred from progressiontables subclass prerequisites |
Additional notes |
race
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Cargo type | Page |
Description | The race this ability is specific to (if any) |
Game data | Contained in ApplicationPrerequisites |
Additional notes |
subrace
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Cargo type | Page |
Description | The subrace this ability is specific to (if any) |
Game data | Contained in ApplicationPrerequisites |
Additional notes |
activation
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Cargo type | String |
Description | Activation type of the ability. One of the following:
|
Game data | Inferred from IsPassive and IsModal |
Additional notes | An ability where IsPassive and IsModal is false should always be an active ability.
In the infobox below I've moved this from the Requirements section to the ability section |
activation_req
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Cargo type | String |
Description | Condition that must be met for the ability to be activated, e.g. Health Below 10% |
Game data | Contained in ActivationPrerequisites |
Additional notes | Should only include restrictions that cannot already be defined in the other fields. Should also include the rarely use fields CannotActivateWhileInvisible and CannotActivateWhileInStealth |
combat_only
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Cargo type | Boolean |
Description | "yes" if the ability can only be used in combat. If this value is "no" or anything else, the field will not be shown in the infobox. |
Game data | IsCombatOnly |
Additional notes | There is also a IsNonCombatOnly field, but it seems to only be used for trap effects. If there are other cases, they can be put in activation_req |
- Ability
Info about the ability type, how it is learned and at what level, as well as the upgrades for this ability
ability_type
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Cargo type | String |
Description | The type of ability without a plural. A fairly vague/broad field. Naming in-game is very inconsistent and irrelevant in places.
|
Game data | Varies |
Additional notes | * Whether to use "Ability" or "Spell" is entirely dependent on the AbilityClassID.
In the infobox, if the ability is a class ability, the field will be presented in the following format:
So for a level 1 wizard spell:
In addition, the ability_level field will not be shown for all class abilities. |
ability_level
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Cargo type | Integer |
Description | The native power level of the ability in arabic numerals. This is listed on the far left side of the ability tree. |
Game data | AbilityLevel |
Additional notes |
learn_type
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Cargo type | String |
Description | How this ability is learned.
|
Game data | UnlockStyle field in progressiontables. |
Additional notes | Default class entries are "PT_<ClassName>" (or as above). Abilities that automatically unlock have the UnlockStyle "Unlock", abilities that are selected by the player have the UnlockStyle "AutoGrant" (kinda counter-intuitive, I know). |
learn_level
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Cargo type | Integer |
Description | The level at which this ability can be learned as a single class character (assuming that its unlock is based on level) |
Game data | Inferred using AbilityLevel and this table |
Additional notes | This value differs depending on whether the character uses a single class or a multi class. This field is used for single class, while learn_level_mc is used for multi class |
learn_level_mc
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Cargo type | Integer |
Description | The level at which this ability can be learned as a multiclass character (assuming that its unlock is based on level) |
Game data | Inferred using AbilityLevel and this table |
Additional notes | This value differs depending on whether the character uses a single class or a multi class. We'll likely have to list both, be it in the same field or two different fields. |
upgrades_from
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Cargo type | Page |
Description | The page name of the ability this ability is upgraded from, with the usual label (e.g. Some Ability (Deadfire){{!}}Some Ability) |
Game data | UpgradedFromId (DisplayName of GenericAbilityGameData with this id) |
Additional notes |
upgrades_to
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Cargo type | List (;) of Page |
Description | List of page names that this ability can be upgraded to |
Game data | The DisplayName of all other GenericAbilityGameData's where their UpgradedFromId field is this ability |
Additional notes |
keywords
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Cargo type | List (,) of String |
Description | Keywords for this ability (used for many things, mainly power level boosts). List should be in the same format as in-game, with comma or comma-space delimiters. |
Game data | KeywordsIDs |
Additional notes |
counters
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Cargo type | List (,) of String |
Description | Counters to the keywords of this ability. List should be in the same format as in-game, with comma or comma-space delimiters. |
Game data | KeywordsIDs |
Additional notes | Counters are determined using the OpposedKeywords object in AbilitySettingsGameData |
- Casting
Stats regarding the casting of this ability, cooldowns, usages, etc
source
| |
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Cargo type | String |
Description | The resource pool used for this ability. This is only applicable to class-specific abilities, and is unique to each class:
Keep in mind however that Druids, Priests, and Wizards do not have a resource pool (they instead have x casts per ability power level depending on their current level - among other things). For these classes this field (and the source_cost field) should be left empty. |
Game data | Inferred from a UsageType of ClassPowerPool or ClassAccruedResource and the AbilityClassID |
Additional notes |
source_cost
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Cargo type | Integer |
Description | The amount of resource this ability takes to cast. Should be left empty if the ability does not draw from a resource pool or accrued resource. |
Game data | UsageValue |
Additional notes | Should be left empty if the UsageType isn't ClassPowerPool or ClassAccruedResource. |
uses
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Cargo type | Integer |
Description | The amount of uses this ability has before it must be replenished. |
Game data | UsageValue |
Additional notes | The source field for this value is shared with source_cost |
restoration
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Cargo type | String (allowed values=Encounter,Rest) |
Description | Defines when/how the uses are replenished. Typically "Encounter" or "Rest" - do not include "per" |
Game data | UsageType (only if it is PerEncounter or PerRest) |
Additional notes | If the UsageType is Charges, this should be left empty to signify that the ability cannot be restored. |
cast_time
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Cargo type | Float |
Description | Time it takes to cast this ability. Should always be expressed as a numeric value with at least one decimal (more if the value has more significant decimal places). Unit (seconds) should be omitted. |
Game data | Inferred from the AttackBaseComponent.CastSpeedID field of the AttackGameData with the AttackID |
Additional notes | Although this (and recovery time) are internally expressed as fixed values "Fast" (0.0), "Average" (3.0), "Slow" (4.5), and "Very Slow" (6.0) - they are shown as numerical values in-game. |
recovery_time
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Cargo type | Float |
Description | Time it takes after an ability to perform another action. Should always be expressed as a numeric value with at least one decimal (more if the value has more significant decimal places). Unit (seconds) should be omitted. |
Game data | Inferred from the AttackBaseComponent.RecoveryTimeID field of the AttackGameData with the AttackID |
Additional notes | Although this (and recovery time) are internally expressed as fixed values "Fast" (0.0), "Average" (3.0), "Slow" (4.5), and "Very Slow" (6.0) - they are shown as numerical values in-game. |
range
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Cargo type | String |
Description | Maximum distance from the target position this ability can be cast from.
Numerical values must not use a decimal point for whole numbers, and must not include a unit (meters) - this will be added automatically. Non-numerical values may be used where applicable (jump targets, "weapon", "ranged", "melee", etc.). If the ability is cast on self, do not include a range. |
Game data | Inferred from the AttackBaseComponent.AttackDistance field of the AttackGameData with the AttackID |
Additional notes |
area_of_effect
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Cargo type | String |
Description | The area of effect the ability will cover, typically a radius.
Numerical values must not use a decimal point for whole numbers, and must not include a unit (meters) - this will be added automatically. Non-numerical values may be used where applicable, and must include a unit "m" with no spaces (jump targets, "weapon", "ranged", "melee", etc.). |
Game data | Varies |
Additional notes | Inferred from a number of different sources:
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noise_use
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Cargo type | String (allowed values=Silent,Quiet,Loud,Extremely Loud) |
Description | Amount of noise made on cast |
Game data | NoiseLevel1ID |
Additional notes |
noise_impact
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Cargo type | String (allowed values=Silent,Quiet,Loud,Extremely Loud) |
Description | Amount of noise made on impact. |
Game data | Inferred from the AttackBaseComponent.NoiseLevel1ID field of the AttackGameData with the AttackID |
Additional notes | In-game this is only shown if the noise level differs from that of noise_use, otherwise if they are the same only one value is shown. |
interrupt
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Cargo type | String (allowed values=Hit,Crit) |
Description | Defines when the abilities attack should interrupt a foe casting. |
Game data | Inferred from the AttackBaseComponent.InterruptsOn field of the AttackGameData with the AttackID |
Additional notes |
effects
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Cargo type | List (;) of Wikitext |
Description | Describes what this ability does, who it effects, etc. |
Game data | References in-game effects block. |
Additional notes | The string constructor for the effects block in-game is way too complicated to replicate from just game-data. Unfortunately this will need to be manually filled from in-game data.
To move formatting from the effects to the infobox (so that we can avoid the requirement of having the effects block strictly formatted), we might want to instead list effects similar to the way Template:Infobox quest poe2 lists rewards, where we have x number of fields representing a target and the effects on that target: | effects_target_1 = Self | effects_1 = +20% Healing for 10.0 sec | effects_target_2 = Target | effects_2 = 200 {{burn}} damage We would then simply do {{#if: {{{effects_target_1|}}} | *{{{effects_target_1}}}:<br/>:{{{effects_1}}}}} {{#if: {{{effects_target_2|}}} | *{{{effects_target_2}}}:<br/>:{{{effects_2}}}}} (probably) Resulting in: Much better I reckon. |
rel_quests
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Cargo type | List (;) of Page |
Description | List of quests that might be related to this ability (for example if this ability is received as a quest reward). |
Game data | - |
Additional notes |
rel_abilities
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Cargo type | List (;) of Page |
Description | List of abilities that might be related to this one, that aren't already listed in the upgrades section |
Game data | - |
Additional notes |
rel_items
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Cargo type | List (;) of Page |
Description | List of items that are related to this ability, e.g. grant this ability on equip. |
Game data | - |
Additional notes |
internalname
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Cargo type | String |
Description | The internal name of this ability |
Game data | DebugName |
Additional notes |
guid
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Cargo type | String |
Description | The internal ID of this ability (GUID) |
Game data | ID |
Additional notes | Won't be shown in the infobox (too long), but it's a nice-to-have. |
Summary
- Added:
- subclass
- learn_level_mc
- upgrades_from
- upgrades_to
- keywords
- counters
- cast_time
- recovery_time
- noise_use
- noise_impact
- rel_quests
- guid
- Removed:
- speed (substituted with cast_time and recovery_time)
- linger (not used in poe2?)
- talents
- learn_buycost (not used in poe2)
- inventor (kind of redundant if it's in the title)
- Renamed for consistency with other poe2 infoboxes:
- ability_range -> range
- area -> area_of_effect
- abilities -> rel_abilities
- items -> rel_items
- Merged into effects:
- To avoid duplicating fields and to provide less restrictions, most of the attack-related data should be moved to the effects field. Using dedicated fields will get messy since the ability can have multiple durations, defenses, targets, etc. The in-game text should be copied verbatim.
- accuracy_mod
- duration
- defense
- defense_damage (unused)
- defense_effect (unused)
- damage
- damage_type
Other possible additions not in the above table:
description_tb
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Cargo type | String |
Description | Alternate description for turn based mode |
Game data | DescriptionTactical |
Additional notes | The gamedatabundle also defines a description for an alternate description used in Turn-based mode (called "tactical" mode in many of the game files).
Alternatively we can skip this, and do what is usually done when multiple descriptions are present - provide the first in the infobox, and the remainder on the page itself. Doing it this way would save a field and a page variable declaration that would otherwise be rarely used. |
Infobox
I've used the template Template:Infobox ability poe2/test for staging. Edits can be made here before it is copied over to the main template so the page history isn't filled with tests and changes.
{{Infobox ability poe2/test | name = | icon = | description = | added_in = | class = | subclass = | race = | subrace = | activation = | activation_req = | combat_only = | ability_type = | ability_level = | learn_type = | learn_level = | learn_level_mc = | upgrades_from = | upgrades_to = | keywords = | counters = | source = | source_cost = | uses = | restoration = | cast_time = | recovery_time = | range = | area_of_effect = | noise_use = | noise_impact = | interrupt = | effects = | rel_quests = | rel_abilities = | rel_items = | internalname = | guid = }}
Example infoboxes
Template:Infobox ability poe2/test
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{{Infobox ability poe2/test | name = Deadly Surprise | icon = deadly_surprise.png | description = The ranger's animal companion falls over and appears to be dead for a limited time. When the companion stands back up, they regain health from the time spent resting. (Deadly Surprise) - Afterwards, the animal companion gains a large damage bonus on their next attack. | added_in = poe2 | class = Ranger | subclass = | race = | subrace = | activation = Active | activation_req = Animal companion not unconscious | combat_only = yes | ability_type = Ability | ability_level = 7 | learn_type = Optional | learn_level = 13 | learn_level_mc = 19 | upgrades_from = Play Dead | upgrades_to = | keywords = | counters = | source = Bond | source_cost = 2 | uses = | restoration = | cast_time = 0.0 | recovery_time = 4.0 | range = | area_of_effect = | noise_use = Loud | noise_impact = Quiet | interrupt = | effects = Self (animal companion):<br/>Revive with 350 Health, +100% Damage, Play dead;Target:<br/>Immunity to Bonded Grief attacks for 10.0 sec | rel_quests = | rel_abilities = | rel_items = | internalname = Deadly_Surprise | guid = c881ca20-4369-45be-b141-63cefa391f15 }} |
Template:Infobox ability poe2/test |
{{Infobox ability poe2/test | name = Flame Shield | icon = flame_shield icon.png | description = Engulfs the caster in fire, increasing their Freeze Armor Rating and causing Burn damage to anyone who damages them with a melee attack. | added_in = poe2 | class = Wizard | subclass = | race = | subrace = | activation = Active | activation_req = | combat_only = yes | ability_type = Spell | ability_level = 4 | learn_type = Optional | learn_level = 3 | learn_level_mc = 4 | upgrades_from = | upgrades_to = | keywords = Transmutation, Fire | counters = Water, Frost | source = | source_cost = | uses = | restoration = | cast_time = 3.0 | recovery_time = 4.0 | range = 10 | area_of_effect = 1.5m Radius | noise_use = Loud | noise_impact = Loud | interrupt = | effects = AoE when damaged: 4 [[Burn]] Damage over 6.0 sec {{!}} [[Accuracy]] vs. [[Fortitude]] | rel_quests = | rel_abilities = | rel_items = | internalname = Flame_Shield | guid = 8bf92fdc-06d1-4d71-a2bd-d590af138be5 }} |
Template:Infobox ability poe2/test |
{{Infobox ability poe2/test | name = Penetrating Empower | icon = ability_passive_penetration.png | description = Empowered attacks gain increased Penetration. | added_in = poe2 | class = | subclass = | race = | subrace = | activation = Passive | activation_req = | combat_only = | ability_type = Talent | ability_level = 7 | learn_type = Optional | learn_level = 13 | learn_level_mc = 19 | upgrades_from = | upgrades_to = | keywords = | counters = | source = | source_cost = | uses = | restoration = | cast_time = | recovery_time = | range = | area_of_effect = | noise_use = | noise_impact = | interrupt = | effects = Self: +1 [[Penetration]] with Empowered attacks | rel_quests = | rel_abilities = | rel_items = | internalname = Penetrating_Empower | guid = 5fc04f38-9b74-480a-b624-c17cfd2cfdea }} |
Page format
The usual I suppose:
'''{{Pagename nd}}''' is an [[Pillars of Eternity II: Deadfire abilities|ability]] in {{poe2}}. ==Description== {{Description|{{#var:description}}}} ==Effects== {{#var:effects_formatted}} <-- This variable will be declared by the infobox, containing the effects formatted for display (assuming the alternate effects fields are used - see above) ==Notes== * Some notes here if any
If an ability has multiple descriptions:
==Description== {{Description|{{#var:description}}}} '''Turn-based mode:''' {{Description|The turn based mode description here}}}